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Comments Showing of 24 24 new post a comment ». May 01, AM. Anybody know much about them? May 01, PM. I have read some stuff but don't consider myself any kind of expert.
As for the original Rosicrucians, the ones who put out the manifestoes in the 17th century, I think they may have been early surrealists. Modern Rosicrucians are all over the map. There are esoteric Christian groups, Masonic groups, and initiatory groups.
I was in San Jose for a few days for training several years back. May 02, PM. Jim wrote: "I have read some stuff but don't consider myself any kind of expert. As for the original Rosicrucians, the ones who put out the manifestoes in the 17th century, I think they may have been early su Interested to learn what others know. There are any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events a few chapters about Rosicrucianism in Manly P. The Jennings book seems to be well respected.
The quality of research into religious studies was probably better in the 19th century than the 20th. I would still take anything about the Rosicrucians with a grain of salt. I think of them like the Illuminati. Lots of people claim to be part of or descended from the original group but most are just bluffing.
That said, the ideas in Jennings and Hall are probably worth reading for their own sake. May 03, AM. I don't believes be it is helpful to select out organizations that study ancient sages of all belief systems.
Modern day so-called religions do need to be questioned as there is huge amounts of money involved. Any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events who practice the ancient belief systems will find that they have the broadest and most rational interpretations of what life on earth and in the Universe is most likely about.
Mysticism is about taking responsibility for our own happiness, learning to love ourselves as we carry esoteric energy or life force within and means that we are perfect within and if we can change our perception that we are flawed beyond saving as in overcoming a feeling of lacking in respect or love from those around us which causes us to believe we are inferior in some way. I believe, as I have said before, that if we wish to change the world, then we need to change ourselves first.
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Of course, everybody will change in their own good time and so we will always have conflict in the life we live, but we can attempt seriously to set an example. For a start we can try to stop blaming those around us for our unhappiness. Jim wrote: "I would still take anything about the Rosicrucians with a grain of salt. May 03, PM. That's my take. I haven't been able to find any evidence for such an organization. That doesn't mean they aren't trying to preserve as much esoteric knowledge as they can. If there are any uninterrupted thre of wisdom tradition in the modern world, I don't know which ones they are.
Everybody claims a pedigree. If there is anything like that, my bet would be on somewhere in India or possibly the middle east.
That said, wisdom traditions do manage to pop up from any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events to time in strange places. Hermetism itself comes from Egypt early in the common era and may have preserved some older traditions, if filtered through Hellenic thought.
Jim wrote: "If there are any uninterrupted thre of wisdom tradition in the modern world, I don't know which ones they are. Possibly Tibet and surrounds could hold some uninterrupted traditions from the Ancients as well. But like you, I've seen or read of nothing in the West that indicates any mystery schools of our era hold original knowledge from thousands of years ago. May 04, PM. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't rule out China. I think feng shui, like astrology alchemy, etc.
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Actually, I would put qigong of which feng shui is a part in that category. There's an obvious yogic influence but there's also a lot that's unique to China. I agree about the marketing angle.
Jun 09, PM. I'm currently reading Rosicrucians: Their Rites and Mysteries published and I've just come across this passage which states that Rosicrucians and the Illuminati are basically the same: " Sounds Heraclitian. Funny how that quote about the Rosicrucians mentions all things evolving out of fire I have a friend who at great risk to himself managed to get inside undercover a reasonably high-level Eyes Wide Shut-style ceremony of some unknown secret society. He said the attendees were mostly politicians and financial elites.
Anyway, the focal point of the ceremony was a small controlled fire within the building out of which rose a "spirit being" as he termed it. Now I have no idea if that entity could have been mechanical or illusory or what, but just thought I'd share in case anyone else knows further info on this subject of fire beings To all intents and purposes it apparently looked like a spirit being rising up out of the fire My friend's testimonial about this experience of going in undercover to the event and seeing this fire ceremony was recorded in a video interview and last I saw it's still up on YouTube.
Jun 10, AM. James Morcan wrote: "Funny how that quote about the Rosicrucians mentions all things evolving out of fire I have a friend who at great risk to himself managed to get inside undercover a reasonably high-level Eyes And for The Rosicrucians, like other secret orders of ancient religions, Fire is at the very any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events of their beliefs.
Everything of matter came from fire. Everything is Fire. We are Fire. That could be a valid observation about the sun being viewed as fire by any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events ancients.
Jun 10, PM. I think that may be backwards. The sun was important first. Fire was associated with the sun so also important. I know fire is important in it's own right.
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It was used by humans since before Homo Sapiens. The sun is important, not only for it's relation to the seasons, but as an objectification of light which represents the light of illumination. It's been argued that sun worship traces back to Atlantis and is central in all the civilizations that followed. Dec 16, AM. Dec 19, AM. It's a way to get out of work by claiming a non-calendar religious holiday. Sep 01, PM. Oct 11, PM. I think that the Rosicrucians and Freemasonry were both born by the same belief; Hatred of the Roman Catholic Church, During the 16th and17th centuries, the formation or rebirth of secret societies that embraced ancient philosophies and ritual practices occurred.
The Rosicrucian movement of the early seventeenth century called for a universal brotherhood of man. This was formally expressed in the publication of three manifestos between and Although this movement was highly secretive and very selective, its enduring idea of the sanctity of man and the natural universe as a mystical and even magical creation, gained traction in a world infused with new scientific truths.
The manifestos combined Hermeticism, Jewish Kabbalah and even alchemy into a radical vision of the world to come. The holy grail of this age was the possibility of ing the spiritual with material reality. The world, nearing its end, is to receive a new illumination in which the advances in knowledge made in the preceding age of the Renaissance will be immensely expanded. New discoveries are at hand, a new age is dawning. Many of the higher ideals of Freemasonry appear to have been sourced in the spiritual ideals of Rosicrucian philosophy.
Speculative Freemasonry had found a new foundation stone embedded in the illumination of a new world order, which was independent of the dogmatic rule of the Catholic Church. For the Freemason fraternity, Science, religion and philosophy were part of a sacred vision under the divine, Grand Architect any rosicrucians want to discuss upcoming events the Universe.
These teachings were embraced by the Freemasons in the eighteenth century as a way of seeking gnosis and illumination. This was the enduring legacy of the Rosicrucian movement to the Masonic brotherhood.